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Post by kahunaburger61 on Aug 4, 2011 2:51:12 GMT -5
Uh I was basing optional extras assuming 8/1 chart was being done since they did 8/8 before. Ain't No Mountain High Enough & Lookin' Out My Backdoor didn't debut until 8/8 on Billboard's Hot 100. I'm sticking with my guesses and I'm NOT a chuckle-head!!! I think you are a little confused here. Per Ultimate Music Database, these were the songs' positions for the Aug. 1, 1970 chart (and all three of my predictions indeed were on that chart): *" Snowbird" by Anne Murray. At No. 45 in its fifth week on the chart. *" Looking Out My Back Door" by Creedence Clearwater Revival. Debut at No. 56. * " Ain't No Mountain High Enough" by Diana Ross. Debuted at No. 46 this week. Remember, we're a week ahead at this point in AT40. The July 25, 1970 program (which we're hearing this weekend) has information from the Aug. 1, 1970 chart (which we'll hear this weekend). BTW -- all extras stay in, and none get played as extras as mrjukebox suggests. If any of them get deleted, it'll probably be "Alley-Oop" by the Argyles (the least known of the three and except for The True Oldies Channel or golden oldies stations simply is not played anymore, which is OK since I'd rather hear Huey Lewis and the News anyway!). Brian You may just want to go back a page on this thread...jdelachjr2002 has posted the cue sheet on this week's show. It has Top 40 songs for the week ending August 1, 1970 Billboard chart! Maybe if you weren't so busy insulting people & enamored with your own predictions you would have seen! I have yet to be 100% some weeks 0 out of 3 but my pics don't deserved to be put up to ridicule!!! |
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Post by dukelightning on Aug 4, 2011 7:37:40 GMT -5
"Alley Oop" by The Hollywood Argyles does stay in the show. I'll be doggone. A bunch of possible extras they could have gone with, and we get three pretty well known oldies relegated to "extra" status and the least-known of the lot stays in (not that "Alley-Oop" is a bad song, but that's the one that's been all but forgotten by oldies stations nowadays). And to relegate the Glen Campbell song as an extra, even though I'm sure we'll hear a 1975 countdown between now and early October (to hear "Rhinestone Cowboy"), especially when he's on his final chapter in life having been diagnosed with Alzheimer's is just plain disrespectful in my book. Just my opinion, but this great singer's music needs to be played as often as possible, without stations having the option to cut if they play AT40. Curious how Premiere chooses its extras and decides what "original AT40 extras" to relegate to optional status. Brian Did you not read my post about this? By taking extras from the original AT40, Premiere does not have to edit songs from the countdown itself. BTW, nice job mrjukebox. |
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Post by dukelightning on Aug 4, 2011 7:59:26 GMT -5
It's nice when someone else does the hard work on disecting Pete's clue. I think wahoo has it figured out. It will be 1976. This is the week that Silly Love Songs returns to #1 after a 2 week stint for Love Hangover. SXM played the show when SLS first hit #1 a couple weeks ago. Please allow me the opportunity to provide one more hint to next week's show... ...the program we'll hear the second week of June is very similar to the September 23, 1972 program. I believe dukedeb made an observation recently that makes the connection. This week's clue has reminded me of a previous clue curveball that I think everybody swung and missed at, myself included even though I was referenced. The Sept. 23, 1972 program reference is to there being one female performer in it. Now the show that this clue refers to is for 6/11/77 when there were 15 female performers. So did/does anybody figure out what the clue referred to? Inquiring minds would like to know......... |
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Post by matt on Aug 4, 2011 9:16:40 GMT -5
OK, everyone needs to simmer down it seems...  kahunaburger is right I believe--anytime Premiere (jd or Pete B) announces a show from the debut show through May 1, 1971, the show they have announced is based on the chart date and not the original air date (i.e. this week's show was announced as 8/1/70 - which is the chart date, though the show would have originally aired on the weekend of July 25th and 26th in 1970). SXM does the same thing--their show this past weekend was shown on their player as the 7/25/70 show, which was the chart date for the show, not when it originally aired. Man, the confusion this whole issue creates! Glad that the AT40 staff decided to change it in the first year of the show's run. |
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Post by jgve1952 on Aug 4, 2011 14:38:13 GMT -5
Wahoo--very well stated--thanks so much! I agree, about the 1970-early 71 shows--very very confusing. The show is already out of date being that it was first heard on 7-25-70, and please remember that the chart is for the week ENDING, so it was out of date on 8-1-70, let alone this Saturday/Sunday 8-6 and 8-7. I just don't understand why Premiere didn't go with 1971 this coming weekend and go more with the 1970 episode 8-8-70/chart 8-15-70 since that would have coincided more with the dates of 8-13/14 (next weekend).
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Post by chrislc on Aug 4, 2011 16:13:33 GMT -5
Please allow me the opportunity to provide one more hint to next week's show... ...the program we'll hear the second week of June is very similar to the September 23, 1972 program. I believe dukedeb made an observation recently that makes the connection. I had no idea before now, and I think it is mindboggling that there were ZERO female solo artists in the Top 40 on 9/23/72, and only Sister Rose as a member of an act. How in the world could something like that happen? Especially when 5 years later there were 15. I think it's just amazing. And this was when I Am Woman was a hit! Incredible. |
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Post by briguy52748 on Aug 4, 2011 16:40:04 GMT -5
I think you are a little confused here. Per Ultimate Music Database, these were the songs' positions for the Aug. 1, 1970 chart (and all three of my predictions indeed were on that chart): *" Snowbird" by Anne Murray. At No. 45 in its fifth week on the chart. *" Looking Out My Back Door" by Creedence Clearwater Revival. Debut at No. 56. * " Ain't No Mountain High Enough" by Diana Ross. Debuted at No. 46 this week. Remember, we're a week ahead at this point in AT40. The July 25, 1970 program (which we're hearing this weekend) has information from the Aug. 1, 1970 chart (which we'll hear this weekend). BTW -- all extras stay in, and none get played as extras as mrjukebox suggests. If any of them get deleted, it'll probably be "Alley-Oop" by the Argyles (the least known of the three and except for The True Oldies Channel or golden oldies stations simply is not played anymore, which is OK since I'd rather hear Huey Lewis and the News anyway!). Brian You may just want to go back a page on this thread...jdelachjr2002 has posted the cue sheet on this week's show. It has Top 40 songs for the week ending August 1, 1970 Billboard chart! Maybe if you weren't so busy insulting people & enamored with your own predictions you would have seen! I have yet to be 100% some weeks 0 out of 3 but my pics don't deserved to be put up to ridicule!!! Well I don't get it. I typed in the box for the Ultimate Music Database the date for Aug. 1, 1970 (it has you type in the day first, so it would appear 01-08-1970 for Aug. 1, 1970) ... and it comes up with a chart dated Aug. 7, 1970 and the Aug. 8 show. (Yes, I know I didn't see the chart date, but that's still no excuse, UMD!) This is where I get my extras predictions from, and I expect UMD to be correct. I still stand behind my predictions and Premiere's lack of imagination in selecting extras. I'm sorry ... I'm taking a stand here. Brian P.S. -- Had I gone with the correct chart that apparently everyone else correctly found, I would have gone with as extras: * "Hand Me Down World" by the Guess Who. * "Solitary Man" by Neil Diamond. * "Candida" by Tony Orlando and Dawn. With little "Snowbird" by Anne Murray the backup pick. Still, three/four memorable extras. So phooey to anyone who says no big hits were on the horizon. All four are regularly played on oldies/classic hits stations. And I am not enamored with my own picks -- when I make a pick, I stand by them. |
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Post by dukelightning on Aug 4, 2011 16:52:34 GMT -5
A couple of clarifications are in order....UMD has errors in the chart date from June -Dec. 1970. They are off by 1 day. So keep that in mind. Not sure if there are other errors like that in other years. So you have to confirm that the chart date listed is teh actual chart date. Yeah I know that kinda stinks.
When I said there were 15 female performers in the 6/11/77 top 40, I was referring to all females i.e Stevei Nicks and Christine McVie of Fleetwood Mac are 2 female performers. Thought I would say that before someone says. 15 females in that top 40, huh?! But what does that survey have in common with 9/23/72?
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Post by Ponderous Man on Aug 4, 2011 17:16:22 GMT -5
Prediction for next weekend's show: August 17, 1974 (Backup prediction: August 14, 1971)
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Post by matt on Aug 4, 2011 17:41:58 GMT -5
I would caution anyone to use the Ultimate Music Database - it is a fun resource for charts, but I have found on a few occasions where they have been off by a ways. The most significant of which was on the June 29, 1974 chart, where ZZ Top's "La Grange" - infamously picked by the AT40 staff at #33 - should have been shown at #41, and doesn't appear on UMD's display of the chart - at all! I recently noticed this about another song as well (can't remember which one or what chart).
The best resource if they have the week's issue, are the original Billboard magazines on Google Books. That way you get the Hot 100 chart from the "horse's mouth" as they say.
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Post by briguy52748 on Aug 4, 2011 18:05:44 GMT -5
I would caution anyone to use the Ultimate Music Database - it is a fun resource for charts, but I have found on a few occasions where they have been off by a ways. ... The best resource if they have the week's issue, are the original Billboard magazines on Google Books. That way you get the Hot 100 chart from the "horse's mouth" as they say. That's all well and good, but the fact remains that my predictions were valid ones (as were everyone else's), but I get ridiculed when I spout about Premiere constantly cutting original extras and making them optional extras. (All to give more time for innuendo-laden local commercials or to give stations the choice of not playing songs "that don't fit into our format.") How about cutting "Alley-Oop" then, which is rarely played anymore, if you're going to relegate the other songs to extras? Brian |
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Post by kahunaburger61 on Aug 4, 2011 19:12:27 GMT -5
The ultimate chart sources are the big bound Whitburn books with copies of the actual charts, Mr. Battistini's two books which can be purchased at www.at40book.com plus his post that informs to next weeks show & the cue sheets which jdelachjr2002 provides a link to. |
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Aug 5, 2011 10:59:21 GMT -5
Where can the Whitburn books be bought? Probably cost a pretty penny too! And what timeframe do they run? Is it like my Top 40 book that is updated with more info? Or are they by decade?
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Post by Scott Lakefield on Aug 5, 2011 12:42:06 GMT -5
Brian,
As I understand it, the "original AT40 extras" that get relegated to "optional" status get so moved for timing purposes. And that's it.
Scott
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Post by briguy52748 on Aug 5, 2011 13:08:02 GMT -5
Brian, As I understand it, the "original AT40 extras" that get relegated to "optional" status get so moved for timing purposes. And that's it. Scott And that should be it. My disgust with this is with the individual stations that choose not to play the extras because the songs are too "square." (That would include both KUUL, which plays the 70s show and KMXG, which airs the 80s program.) Yeah, talk to them, but that would do a lot of good, as at least on KUUL the station seems more content to pad out their commercial time with innuendo-filled promos for their morning show and multiple commercials for the local casinos, some airing identical spots twice during the same commercial block(!). Sorry for the rant, but ... Brian |
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