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Post by wickster82 on Jun 18, 2011 22:30:18 GMT -5
There are quite a few songs I can think of that debuted on the Hot 100 all the way in the Top 40 that didn't make the top spot.
Bruce Springsteen - Hungry Heart - Debut: 30, Peak: 5 Bruce Springsteen - Dancing In The Dark - Debut: 36, Peak: 2 The Police - King of Pain - Debut: 37, Peak: 3 Supertramp - It's Raining Again - Debut: 31, Peak: 11 Journey - Separate Ways - Debut: 36, Peak: 8 John Lennon - Woman - Debut: 36, Peak: 2 John Lennon - Nobody Told Me - Debut: 36, Peak: 5 John Cougar Mellencamp - Lonely Ol' Night - Debut: 40, Peak: 6 Michael Jackso - Thriller - Debut: 20, Peak: 4
It seems like 36 is the doomed position.
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Post by kchkwong on Jun 18, 2011 23:06:58 GMT -5
Dancing On The Ceiling - Lionel Richie #40 True Blue - Madonna #40 Brilliant Disguise - Bruce Springsteen #40 Raspberry Beret - Prince & The Revolution #37 Dress You Up - Madonna #36 The Wild Boys - Duran Duran #38 Purple Rain - Prince #28 State Of Shock - The Jacksons #30 Say It Isn't So - Hall & Oates #30 Don't Let It End - Styx #35 Mr. Roboto - Styx #40 Shame On The Moon - Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band #40 Overkill - Men At Work #28 All Right - Christopher Cross #29 (This one can't even make the Top 10, peaked at #12)
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Post by Mike on Jun 18, 2011 23:09:04 GMT -5
There's two such records in this week's survey! "I Don't Need You" by Kenny Rogers, and "All Those Years Ago" by George Harrison. Both debuted at #33, Kenny peaked at #3, and George stopped at #2.
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Post by freakyflybry on Jun 19, 2011 1:25:59 GMT -5
Michael Bolton - Love Is A Wonderful Thing: debut #36, peak #4 Madonna - Rescue Me: debut #15, peak #9 Whitney Houston - The Star Spangled Banner: debut #32, peak #20 New Kids On The Block - Tonight: debut #37, peak #7 Madonna - Hanky Panky: debut #40, peak #10 Madonna - Cherish: debut #37, peak #2 Fleetwood Mac - Hold Me: debut #33, peak #4 Neil Diamond - Love On The Rocks: debut #32, peak #2 Styx - The Best Of Times: debut #31, peak #3 Don McLean - Crying: debut #37, peak #5 Neil Diamond - Hello Again: debut #32, peak #6 James Taylor & J.D. Souther - Her Town Too: debut #38, peak #11 Rolling Stones - Emotional Rescue: debut #33, peak #3 Doobie Brothers - Real Love: debut #40, peak #5 Eagles - The Long Run: debut #33, peak #8 Wings - Goodnight Tonight: debut #38, peak #5 John Lennon - Imagine: debut #20, peak #3
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Jun 19, 2011 6:52:36 GMT -5
I've seen alot on my 60's countdown too! I am surprised everytime it happens. If its that popular to debut all that way up, how doesn't it make it to #1?
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Post by wce59 on Jun 19, 2011 9:04:06 GMT -5
In his introduction to the 1985 edition of THE BILLBOARD BOOK OF #1 HITS (page xxii), Fred Bronson wrote, "But there is one thing which every number one single has and which every number two single lacks: timing."
Add this to the fact that the popularity of a given single (and its position on the charts) doesn't operate in a vacuum, but instead is measured relative to the popularity of other songs on the chart at the same time. In my personal opinion, the combination of the two factors goes a long way in understanding why a high debut never makes it to #1.
Granted, the failure of a high debut to reach the top is indeed suprising. But isn't the unpredictability of the charts part of what makes chart watching fascinating?
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Post by dukelightning on Jun 19, 2011 9:11:32 GMT -5
In his introduction to the 1985 edition of THE BILLBOARD BOOK OF #1 HITS (page xxii), Fred Bronson wrote, "But there is one thing which every number one single has and which every number two single lacks: timing." Add this to the fact that the popularity of a given single (and its position on the charts) doesn't operate in a vacuum, but instead is measured relative to the popularity of other songs on the chart at the same time. In my personal opinion, the combination of the two factors goes a long way in understanding why a high debut never makes it to #1. Granted, the failure of a high debut to reach the top is indeed suprising. But isn't the unpredictability of the charts part of what makes chart watching fascinating? I have the 1991 edition of the same book and he makes the same comment in it. It is all about timing. And this week's 80s show is a good example. If Medley is released a couple weeks earlier and reaches #2 a couple weeks earlier, it probably gets stiffed by Bette Davis Eyes because BDE was a lot stronger in its first few weeks at #1. Same thing for The One That You Love. If it is released earlier, it probably gets stiffed as All those Years Ago was. This is why I think AT40 should have played #2 songs from the archives in conjunction with the #1 songs because most of them would have hit the top if they had been released earlier or later. Interesting stuff here.
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Post by artsmusic on Jun 19, 2011 10:04:01 GMT -5
One thing to consider is that in the old chart days, record companies had "add dates" that were determined weeks ahead of time. That was a way to coordinate the chart week for which a title would be reported as being played to maximize the chart impact. A debut at 35 is better than a second week at 35 after a jump from 60.
In many of the cases, some amount of the orchestration is related to promotional impact regarding the artist's stature...and not to the actual popularity of the item. The airplay can be orchestrated/promoted/hyped, but then the station's subsequent airplay and the sales reporting are a little more difficult to impact.
Supertramp, Stones, Jacksons, Richie, Chris Cross, and to lesser degree Cougar were coming off huge organically grown hits, and the followups were not actually as strong as their debuts implied.
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Post by wce59 on Jun 19, 2011 11:02:27 GMT -5
In his introduction to the 1985 edition of THE BILLBOARD BOOK OF #1 HITS (page xxii), Fred Bronson wrote, "But there is one thing which every number one single has and which every number two single lacks: timing." Add this to the fact that the popularity of a given single (and its position on the charts) doesn't operate in a vacuum, but instead is measured relative to the popularity of other songs on the chart at the same time. In my personal opinion, the combination of the two factors goes a long way in understanding why a high debut never makes it to #1. Granted, the failure of a high debut to reach the top is indeed suprising. But isn't the unpredictability of the charts part of what makes chart watching fascinating? I have the 1991 edition of the same book and he makes the same comment in it. It is all about timing. And this week's 80s show is a good example. If Medley is released a couple weeks earlier and reaches #2 a couple weeks earlier, it probably gets stiffed by Bette Davis Eyes because BDE was a lot stronger in its first few weeks at #1. Same thing for The One That You Love. If it is released earlier, it probably gets stiffed as All those Years Ago was. This is why I think AT40 should have played #2 songs from the archives in conjunction with the #1 songs because most of them would have hit the top if they had been released earlier or later. Interesting stuff here. This week's 70s show on Premiere (6/17/78) provides another good example. Andy Gibb's "Shadow Dancing" reached #1 that week, while Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street" moved to #3. If "Baker Street" had been released a couple of weeks earlier (or "Shadow Dancing" a couple of weeks later), it probably would have reached #1. And similarly, if "Shadow Dancing" had been released earlier, the John Travolta/Olivia Newton-John duet, "You're the One that I Want," (#2 that week) might never had reached the top.
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Post by franky on Jun 19, 2011 11:06:41 GMT -5
Just imagine if "Waiting for a Girl Like You" was released 3 months earlier or 3 months later. That's the biggest stiffer of all time. Lou Gramm and the rest of the band probably cussed the heck out of Olivia to death at the time...lol.
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Post by tarobe on Jun 20, 2011 8:12:09 GMT -5
Nobody's mentioned "Erotica" by Madonna. At the time it was the highest debuting song in history (#2). And it failed to hit #1!
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Post by johnnywest on Aug 30, 2014 18:11:39 GMT -5
^And in 1998, "Ray of Light" debuted at #5 and got no higher.
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Post by at40petebattistini on Aug 31, 2014 8:18:07 GMT -5
Trivia question time...
The answer doesn't fit the thread topic but it's pretty close.
During the AT40 "classic" years, what record debuted at #41 on the Hot 100 and climbed no higher than #37?
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Post by artsmusic on Aug 31, 2014 9:55:32 GMT -5
HMM, tied into this week's '70 #1, I presume.....
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Post by jmack19 on Aug 31, 2014 15:27:30 GMT -5
Trivia question time... The answer doesn't fit the thread topic but it's pretty close. During the AT40 "classic" years, what record debuted at #41 on the Hot 100 and climbed no higher than #37? Battle Hymn Of Lt. Calley - C COMPANY featuring Terry NELSON
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