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Post by quatermass on Jul 27, 2010 13:28:47 GMT -5
I think it is just sloppy work by people who either have no clue or just don't care.
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Post by franky on Jul 27, 2010 13:38:40 GMT -5
With so few stations playing the 80s shows, is there any danger that the show will end soon? Tons of stations carry the 70s, but not the 80s. I'm just curious if anybody knows and why so few stations carry it.
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Post by mrjukebox on Jul 27, 2010 16:42:48 GMT -5
I hope not-Sirius XM dropped the 80's shows last year.
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Post by Mike on Jul 27, 2010 19:17:51 GMT -5
I can only assume that shows are uploaded into playlist in individual segments - it would explain the mishaps that I refer to below. To save money, they must not have real people manning the boards on weekends anymore. ^ This. About the only way to make the process "foolproof" is to reverse that and have at least one person manning the boards. But even then, you'll still have a problem even beforehand if someone either forgets to upload one segment or uploads a segment from the wrong show. I would say that when it's so bad that it's a problem like the segments airing out-of-order, the guy in question is probably incompetent enough where he should be replaced.  |
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Post by shadster on Jul 27, 2010 22:10:12 GMT -5
The show I'm sure is downloaded from a server via the internet. Then uploaded onto the stations automation computer. Uploaded by a 'person' an thus people make mistakes. Like accidently loading a section from last weeks show instead of this week. The show may also be beamed via satelite to be recorded an then uploaded to the automation. Either way, the above can happen. The show is NOT sent out on cd.
Bottom line is, people are human.
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Post by frankster on Jul 28, 2010 7:12:48 GMT -5
I've never known Big Hits Y100.9 Maine to play an 80's show but last sunday (25th July) they did - except the show started at number 32. Had to go over to Mix 107.9 and hear the 70's show Y100.9 usually play at that time.
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Post by rgmike on Jul 28, 2010 13:08:58 GMT -5
With so few stations playing the 80s shows, is there any danger that the show will end soon? Tons of stations carry the 70s, but not the 80s. I'm just curious if anybody knows and why so few stations carry it. I find this odd -- given that the '80s shows should appeal to a younger demo, you'd think the situation would be reversed. Is the 4-hour length, as opposed to 3 hours for the '70s, a factor? |
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Post by snarfdude on Aug 5, 2010 19:58:26 GMT -5
Generally speaking, unless the show is live from satellite, most if not all syndicated shows are mp3 downloads these days. I'm guessing some shows are still offered on CD (usually CDR) but on a limited basis. The trend has existed for a # of years now.
I can say AT40 with Seacrest is an mp3 download for my friend who was a production director at a AT40 affiliate up until recently. He'd occasionally give me a show of interest (to go with my collection of soem 70s and 80s vinyl shows)...the original mp3s and PDF's for cues. I assume the same procedure for the classics, especially with premiere's FTP site in existence. They are fairly high quality, usually variable bit mp3 or a set rate around 256kbps. though I'd love to have the wav files.
I think I can explain some of the problems you're hearing....
As every mp3 is a segment in the show, usually what happens is the stations automation system has set "cart numbers"(jargon left over from the days of tape cartridges for music and commericals) and files in the automation system that are used over and over again. This is to make it easy to program in music scheduling. You just using the same files over and over, and on a weekly basis, download the mp3s from the premiere site and then just import the mp3's into the automation system, or sometimes you have the ability to directly download into the automation system.
problem is, the mp3's aren't necessarily labeled well. Case in point for AT40s 40th:
AT40_070310-070410_H1S1.mp3
Hour 1 segment 1, with air date noted in the middle. it's not as visible as cueing up a CD track or reading off the cues, so you can guess someone could pick the wrong mp3 into the wrong cart number and could easily thrown the countdown totally off, or the producer could have thought he loaded the segment but actually didn't. a busy production studio where everyone is coming at you at all sides and you can easily get off track is a very real scenario.
That leads me into my second point. The task all too often falls upon a overworked producer that has loading the syndication shows into the automation system fairly low down on the totem pole compared to the paying spots that a salesman in the station is probably bugging him to death to get on the air. All you do is sign affidavits for running the nat inventory. It's easier to say "ta hell with it" to cut corners so you can go home at a decent time.
These days, automation is cheaper then paying a board op. and it still costs money to hire someone else other then the producer to load the shows, or someone else who already is multitasked to death might pick up the slack.
While I totally agree that more care really needs to exist when running syndication shows, I can easily see where problems can occur as being a former production director, I've sat in the hot seat myself with 15 hour days put in to get the stuff to air on time.
maybe that gives you some insight.
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Post by pzimm7700 on Aug 7, 2010 6:53:11 GMT -5
With so few stations playing the 80s shows, is there any danger that the show will end soon? Tons of stations carry the 70s, but not the 80s. I'm just curious if anybody knows and why so few stations carry it. While I have no real insider knowledge of the situation, I doubt it. As we get further and further from the 80's I would assume you will see more stations focusing on the decade popping up, at least for the next 10-20 years. As this happens, the number of affiliates playing AT40: The 80's will likely go up. |
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Post by snarfdude on Aug 9, 2010 10:34:05 GMT -5
It really depends on how the radio industry handles the 1990s.
Generally 20 year cycles take place for "oldies" the 50's were big in the 70s, the 60s in the 80s (as known with the watermark produced "soundtrack Of The 60s") the 70s in the 90s, and the 80's in the 2000s.
If flea markets and thrift or goodwill type stores are any indication, the 90s really did have much going for it for music. You see a lot of 90s CDs turning up there.
From a programming point of view, you usually target younger all the time anyway, as that's what the advertisers want and that's who pays the bills. If you're over 54, you're largely forgotten in the world of advertising. Oldies oriented station have no choice really but to get into 90s music, and heavily. The question is, will they virtually eliminate the 80s at some point?
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Post by pzimm7700 on Aug 9, 2010 10:44:53 GMT -5
Ok, I actually thought the 70's was largely ignored as I never had a 70's dominated station in any market I lived in in the 90's or 2000's. They were either classic rock or Hot AC which had emphasis on more than just that decade.
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Post by mstgator on Aug 9, 2010 18:11:30 GMT -5
There was a brief surge of '70s-focused stations during the mid-'90s (Coast 107.3 here in Tampa, for instance), but many of those transitioned into classic hits stations.
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Post by snarfdude on Aug 12, 2010 12:49:10 GMT -5
I don't think you'll have a solely 70s dominated station except on satellite radio or internet stream.
On my stream, I have a 70s "day" where we play all 70s and 70's oriented programming for that day "friday" as we cover 100 years in a week. I also like to play non-hits or lesser known stuff, as sticking to the top 40 gets tired, and I want to do something unique. there's enough 70s streams out there then being a clone.
Most commerical radio stations mix up the tried and true 70's with 80's and 90s. often called the "jack" format, but not necessarily because you'd have to pay a license fee (it's a franchise). a local station here in halifax uses "we play anything" but anything is a fairly limited universe focusing on 80s, and drifting into the 70s (especially for cancon) and early 90s. Commerical radio really doesn't have the luxury of playing "anything" people would turn it off if you played even 1 polka or classical cut, something they can't risk.
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Feb 16, 2011 15:28:49 GMT -5
is there a site at they go to or are they emailed to each station. I ask because I'd love to be able to download them just for my own personal listening pleasure...
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Post by Scott Lakefield on Feb 16, 2011 18:58:07 GMT -5
is there a site at they go to or are they emailed to each station. I ask because I'd love to be able to download them just for my own personal listening pleasure... It's a password protected ftp site. |
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