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Post by Michael on Jan 7, 2012 20:07:07 GMT -5
Nope. It's the 5/12/1990 AT40. And like I mentioned above, they weren't there very long. I double-checked the show again, and Shadoe gives the ID quite clearly as "Hot 97..KHTK, St. Louis, Missouri". So either the staff had incorrect info, or maybe the show did swap stations. According to my notes Shadoe continued to say AT40 was on "Hot 97" in St. Louis through the 10/17/92 show. If the show moved stations, then nobody told AT40! It must not have been their for long. Because I just don't ever remember it being on Hot 97. I always thought it was Q106 that picked it up after KHTR flipped. I might have listen to it on 97.1 just forgot about it. In the 90s I always just remember listening it on WKBQ until the hiatus when it return on its current station Z1077.
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Post by saltrek on Jan 7, 2012 20:57:42 GMT -5
And...here's the second of two replacement weeks. We're going into the 90s on this one! Whatever happened to...? (May 12, 1990) [/li][li]92 Pro FM Providence, RI - WPRO: Top 40 since 1974, an affiliate since January 1979 (per the 12/22/79 report) that has an "Adult" direction today. saltrek: Do you know if they have the present-day show? I couldn't find evidence that they do. [/quote] I also checked their website and didn't see any mention of AT 40. I only lived in R.I. until 1982. After that I was in South Florida for 20 years and now east coast of Central Florida.
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Post by Shadoe Fan on Jan 7, 2012 21:57:25 GMT -5
According to my notes Shadoe continued to say AT40 was on "Hot 97" in St. Louis through the 10/17/92 show. If the show moved stations, then nobody told AT40! It must not have been their for long. Because I just don't ever remember it being on Hot 97. I always thought it was Q106 that picked it up after KHTR flipped. I might have listen to it on 97.1 just forgot about it. In the 90s I always just remember listening it on WKBQ until the hiatus when it return on its current station Z1077. In my documentation of Shadoe shows, I've noticed several errors with radio stations, so this situation doesn't surprise me. It's unfortunate.
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Post by at40petebattistini on Jan 8, 2012 7:28:44 GMT -5
It must not have been their for long. Because I just don't ever remember it being on Hot 97. I always thought it was Q106 that picked it up after KHTR flipped. I might have listen to it on 97.1 just forgot about it. In the 90s I always just remember listening it on WKBQ until the hiatus when it return on its current station Z1077. In my documentation of Shadoe shows, I've noticed several errors with radio stations, so this situation doesn't surprise me. It's unfortunate. It *is* unfortunate. Errors in public acknowledgements of AT40 stations can be traced all the way back to 1970. However, I believe it's been previously stated that when the decline of radio subscribers really kicked in during the early 90s, inside recordkeeping of who was actually broadcasting the show (and who wasn't) bordered on carelessness and/or denial.
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Post by Mike on Jan 8, 2012 14:22:36 GMT -5
However, I believe it's been previously stated that when the decline of radio subscribers really kicked in during the early 90s, inside recordkeeping of who was actually broadcasting the show (and who wasn't) bordered on carelessness and/or denial. That is unfortunate. On the other end of the spectrum though, we have Orlando's 105.1, under one billing in '89 and another in '90. At least someone out there was still putting in the effort.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2012 15:03:52 GMT -5
And...here's the second of two replacement weeks. We're going into the 90s on this one! Whatever happened to...? (May 12, 1990) - Quad 106 Sacramento - Yep, AGAIN! Announced as "The New" Quad 106 despite having been an affiliate since at least 12/26/87.
- 92 Pro FM Providence, RI - WPRO: Top 40 since 1974, an affiliate since January 1979 (per the 12/22/79 report) that has an "Adult" direction today. saltrek: Do you know if they have the present-day show? I couldn't find evidence that they do.
- All Hit B94 Kingston, NY - WBPM. From 1985 to 1995, the station was aimed more at Kingston, but around '95, they began to target Poughkeepsie more and more and also began leaning Rhythmic. At the same time, obscure dance tracks and 80s gold music were also mixed in, overall leading to the station becoming something of a cult station among dance fans. By 1999, their owners were looking to leave radio, and sold the station. These days, they're WKXP, a (not-so-successful) Country station.
- Hot 97 KHTK St. Louis - This was a station that had been flipped to Top 40 only the year before. It lasted long enough to get them a mention on this show, but not terribly long in general - they were merged with WKBQ, with Top 40 moving to 106.5 FM (which is NOT still there today). Not sure when this happened, but it can't have been long after this show, as by 1992, this station was already a different format. In the fall of 2000, Emmis bought the station and flipped them away from Classic Rock, which was pulling listeners from the rock station they already had (Dirty...! ). They became KFTK, settling on conservative-leaning News/Talk by 2002. Incidentally, this is the third St. Louis station I've posted about, and the third that's not still a Pop station today. (See also: 11/28/81 and 12/4/82.)
- "The Killer Bee" B95 Tulare-Fresno, CA - Well, they don't have the "Killer Bee" branding today, but as KBOS, their format is more-or-less the same as it was back in 1990. Officially they're a CHR/Rhythmic, but even as a Top 40 they've apparently been leaning that way since even the 80s.
- AM 1250 WLEM Emporium, PA - An AM station carrying the show in 1990! Now Country today.
- Power 92 Phoenix - No, this is NOT the famous KZZP that featured famous program director Guy Zapoleon. They're on 104.7, and actually were in the midst of a major ratings plunge in 1990. No, this is the former KKFR, on 92.3. They'd become a Top 40 station in 1985, and by 1988, were patterning themselves after L.A.'s infamous KPWR. After flirting with a fully mainstream approach, they left Top 40 completely by 1997. Emmis, incidentally, didn't own this station until 2000, but in 2006, they sold them to Bonneville, who turned them into the current KTAR, a News/Talk station, at the beginning of 2007.
- WABB 97 FM Mobile, AL - They've been Top 40 since 1984 - also mentioned on January 23, 1988. Doesn't look like they have the current AT40 on their schedule.
- WDOR-FM Sturgeon Bay, WI - Hmmm. Well, here's a rather interesting one. Their format today is described as "Full Service". What does that mean? Well, their programming includes local talk and local news, ABC News Radio, and a music mix of 80s, 90s, and today's AC. There's local and Wisconsin-based Sports, too. They simulcast on 910 AM, the FM having signed on in 1966, and they've been "The Heart of the Door Peninsula" for over 50 years (counting the AM). All things considered, that makes them probably the only "full service" station to have been part of the AT40 family.
- Mix 105.1 Orlando - Hmmm...well! This is the station that used to be WBJW back on 4/8/89. Now you're seeing them after they flipped away from Top 40 - yet here they are as WOMX, still carrying the show! (Just not today... )
- I-100 Knoxville, TN - WOKI. In 1990, they were at 100.3, and remained a Top 40 station until 1993. On July 19, 2010, station WNOX, previously at 98.7, moved to 100.3, bringing their News/Talk format with them. Guess what WOKI is today at 98.7? Also News/Talk. Isn't that just dandy?
- KQAY Tucumcari, NM - Now Country.
Regarding WOMX, I'm really not surprised they were still airing the show. While when I moved there at the end of 93 AT40 had moved on to WXXL, the music itself was still very much in large part what was on the pop chart. I think I've mentioned this before, the day we moved to Titusville which gets their TV stations and most radio from Orlando I set up the radio and because it was a numerical dial and was "off" in numbers some, I thought I had put the radio on XL 106.7 and turned out a couple hours later I was paying attention and they said it was Mix 105.1. I fell in love with the station and it was my all time favorite station until Erica Lee was let go and the music style took an abrupt turn to rhythmic a couple of years ago.
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Post by Mike on Jan 14, 2012 14:38:03 GMT -5
OK, here's a brief heads-up on the stations from this weekend's 1/14/84 show. So far, FIVE of these were all stations also mentioned on the 12/4/82 show last month. Frankly, I'm perplexed as to why so many were repeated, all from that one show. I'll have a list posted once I hear them all - I think I might've missed the ones from the first hour, so I'll have to get those later.
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Post by Mike on Jan 15, 2012 14:53:24 GMT -5
OK, so here's the full listing of this week's stations. Special thanks to Jimmy who informed me of the missing first hour stations (the first three on the list). Fair warning: There's an inordinate number of repeat stations this week, including no less than SEVEN stations also heard in the 12/4/82 show last month. Whatever happened to...? (January 14, 1984) - KDRW - Silverton CO - So it was KDRW? They joined the AT40 family on 12/4/82 (though I have them listed as KBRW. Oops. )
- WMRF - Lewiston PA - Also originally told on 12/4/82, though they were already in the family.
- KJR - Seattle WA - This one was told on 11/28/81.
- WKEE Huntingdon, WV - Also told back on 12/4/82.
- KJRB Spokane, WA - 12/4/82 again. Are you noticing a pattern yet?
- CKGM Montreal, Quebec, Canada - The station was sold on August 20, 1985 to CHUM limited, and flipped to AC on January 15, 1986. They returned to Top 40 on February 10, 1989, as CHTX, attempting to distance themselves from their heritage as much as possible. Their promos at that time included lines such as "playing the most music allowed by law", apparently leading listeners to wonder if there was in fact a legal limit! Their second run at Top 40 would ultimately fail, and a few format changes later, they became a TSN Sports station on May 7, 2001 - once again as CKGM. They're currently actually in the process of moving from 990 to 690 on the dial (the deal was approved on November 21) - 690 has a clear-channel frequency, which has advanced protection from other stations, particularly at night (think hockey games broadcast at night!). Canadian listeners should listen for a francophone (French) LGBT-based station to launch at 990 - once that happens, you'll know CKGM has moved.
- WKCX Rome, GA - Also given back on 12/4/82.
- KMTI - At the risk of sounding like a broken record...12/4/82.
- WBSB Baltimore, MD - I'm saving this one to the end. I need to utilize a separate list in order to tell this one's story properly!
- KMLB - Guess what? It's ANOTHER 12/4/82 station! (What the hell?!!) This is the one whose sister, KNOE, would be an affiliate in the later 80s - 5/6/89 in particular - and is one today.
- WTSN Dover, NH - No relation to Canada's TSN. Currently a mix of News, Talk, and Sports, and also the only New Hampshire station that plays Yankees games.
- KOTZ Kotzebue, AK - Currently a Variety station that's also an NPR member. They're also a station with a clear-channel signal.
OK, so here's the scoop on WBSB. They were a Top 40 station until February 1992. From there: - That month, they switched first to "Variety 104.3" as WVRT.
- Then, they switched to "Soft 104.3" as WSSF.
- When that failed, they switched to Classic Rock as "104.3 The Colt" WOCT.
- During their classic rock tenure, they changed calls to WFXB.
- On September 5, 2003, they switched to Smooth Jazz as WSMJ. At least here, their then-PD won an industry award for PD of the Year (2007, I think).
- On May 23, 2008, they switched to a 90s-intensive alternative rocker as "Channel 104.3" WCHH, the new calls coming six days later.
- On November 4, 2009, they switched...back to a Top 40 station! As "Z104.3", their calls became WZFT on the 20th.
And...that's what they still are today. So it turns out that this one tried many different musical formats...but in the end, just couldn't do without Top 40 after all! By the way, WQSR is a sister station to this one, but you won't hear a previous incarnation of them announced on these shows - they only signed on in 1995. And there you have it for this week, folks. Pete, would you happen to know how on earth so many stations heard in one show would all be heard in another single show, some time later like this?
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Post by at40petebattistini on Jan 15, 2012 15:31:57 GMT -5
Pete, would you happen to know how on earth so many stations heard in one show would all be heard in another single show, some time later like this? Mike, It appears that the difference between the two chart dates is just over one year. My guess is that these stations renewed their contract to broadcast AT40 in and/or around the same time. Many station on-air mentions I've researched have appeared just once a year. And the renewal is the only reason I can determine in order to justify the timing of their recognition. It's just a speculative guess on my part but I believe it has merit. Make sense?
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Post by Mike on Jan 15, 2012 16:41:18 GMT -5
Mike, It appears that the difference between the two chart dates is just over one year. My guess is that these stations renewed their contract to broadcast AT40 in and/or around the same time. Many station on-air mentions I've researched have appeared just once a year. And the renewal is the only reason I can determine in order to justify the timing of their recognition. It's just a speculative guess on my part but I believe it has merit. Make sense? It makes some sense. So, what you're saying is more often than not, a station's timing was based on their contract renewal?
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Post by Mike on Jan 15, 2012 16:49:30 GMT -5
Here's a report on the two stations at the heart of the spoken-word "The Americans" recording from this weekend's January 12, 1974: CFRB - Gordon Sinclair's station. Fittingly, they're News/Talk, and it seems like they always have been. Founded in 1927, they're Toronto's oldest station still operating with its original callsign. CKLW - Byron McGregor's station. Actually, at times, this was also Tom Clay's (September 4, 1971) and even Charlie Van Dyke's station. Some speculate that the Canadian Content regulations led to the decline and ultimate demise of Top 40 here, though the gradual shift of listeners from AM to FM can also be attributed. It's interesting that the 80s show this weekend is 1984, for that would be the last year for the format at CKLW (albeit in a heavily AC-based form by that time) - it ended on January 1, 1985. Today, like CFRB, they're a News/Talk station. Incidentally, as I was typing this, I caught wind of the first-hour stations: KSLM Salem, OR - Now KWOD, an ESPN Sports station that simulcasts on KFXX. By the way...recognize those call letters? You should - the thrice-mentioned Sacramento station used to have them! WSO - Was it WSO, or did I miss a letter there? Casey read these so fast that it was very tough to keep up. WBSR Pensacola, FL - Then a Top 40 station, later a soft AC station before switching to Sports Talk this past September. K-Joy - Did Casey say they were in Stockton, CA? I don't want to post speculation and be wrong, but if that's the city, KWSX is the current incarnation.
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Post by at40petebattistini on Jan 15, 2012 16:58:38 GMT -5
Mike, It appears that the difference between the two chart dates is just over one year. My guess is that these stations renewed their contract to broadcast AT40 in and/or around the same time. Many station on-air mentions I've researched have appeared just once a year. And the renewal is the only reason I can determine in order to justify the timing of their recognition. It's just a speculative guess on my part but I believe it has merit. Make sense? It makes some sense. So, what you're saying is more often than not, a station's timing was based on their contract renewal? I'd say that was true for small and some medium market stations. To keep the large market stations happy, you'll likely find a more common pattern of recognition. I believe there are exceptions to this, however. There was no hardfast rule, to the best of my knowledge.
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Post by vto66 on Jan 15, 2012 22:33:35 GMT -5
Here's a report on the two stations at the heart of the spoken-word "The Americans" recording from this weekend's January 12, 1974: CFRB - Gordon Sinclair's station. Fittingly, they're News/Talk, and it seems like they always have been. Founded in 1927, they're Toronto's oldest station still operating with its original callsign. CKLW - Byron McGregor's station. Actually, at times, this was also Tom Clay's (September 4, 1971) and even Charlie Van Dyke's station. Some speculate that the Canadian Content regulations led to the decline and ultimate demise of Top 40 here, though the gradual shift of listeners from AM to FM can also be attributed. It's interesting that the 80s show this weekend is 1984, for that would be the last year for the format at CKLW (albeit in a heavily AC-based form by that time) - it ended on January 1, 1985. Today, like CFRB, they're a News/Talk station. Incidentally, as I was typing this, I caught wind of the first-hour stations: KSLM Salem, OR - Now KWOD, an ESPN Sports station that simulcasts on KFXX. By the way...recognize those call letters? You should - the thrice-mentioned Sacramento station used to have them! WSO - Was it WSO, or did I miss a letter there? Casey read these so fast that it was very tough to keep up. WBSR Pensacola, FL - Then a Top 40 station, later a soft AC station before switching to Sports Talk this past September. K-Joy - Did Casey say they were in Stockton, CA? I don't want to post speculation and be wrong, but if that's the city, KWSX is the current incarnation. I used to listen to AT40 on KJOY occasionally, and yes, that station was, indeed, broadcast from Stockton, California.
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Post by Mike on Jan 16, 2012 15:43:40 GMT -5
Whatever happened to...? (November 11, 1972) - KXOL - I need help with this one. Both the current AM and FM stations lead me to stations that don't seem to have a history that goes back to '72.
I finally have the answer to this one! They're licensed to Hurst, TX, a suburb of Dallas. They broadcast at AM 1360, and remained Top 40 until May 1976. According to the database site on Dallas radio, this was the first ever 24-hour station in the Fort Worth area. George Carlin was also a station personality during the late 50s. They'd been a country station prior to a Top 40 switch in 1956, but after the rise in FM radio and the combination of Dallas and Fort Worth into one radio market, they went back to Country in '76. Today, they're KMNY...and it's easier to define them by programming than by format. They have Spanish, Portuguese, Greek - and even business talk. I think I have the answer to another mystery station from the '72 show as well. This one: - KHIG - See KLOM (need help here, too).
This could in fact be the station that would later be known as: Whatever happened to...? (April 8, 1989) - K105 KDXY Paragould, AR - Now Country. I don't have a time of flip on this one.
The 1981, 1982, and 1983 listening guides all list KHIG at 104.9 in Paragould, and KDXY broadcasts there today. So KHIG would be a very early example of an FM station in 1972, but there does seem to be strong evidence to suggest that it's the same station here.
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